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July 2nd, 2008 by Monica

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Should art be labeled “black” if it’s by a black person?

July 1st, 2008 by Monica

The Guardian highlights a British black play and then goes to a black playwright who asks this question on Facebook

"If a black person produces something such as a play, a film or music should it be associated with the word black?" has received almost 4,000 words in reply, passionately arguing both for and against, while examining the wider issues that surround the question.

I freakin’ hate Facebook and the concept that I have to fill out an application of personal info to see anything there.  But I’m now there with the moniker of Monica Noneofyourdamnbusiness.  I’m also 100 years old. 

The above is a good question easily extrapolated to books.  I know many black readers love black-labeled books.   The reason so many books, plays and other art are labeled black is because art by blacks for entertainment didn’t exist.  Since it recently came into being, it’s special.  We must patronize and celebrate black entertainment and art or the fear is we’ll lose it again.  The perception is also that we are inherently different and only blacks will want to patronize anything black.   We go along with this perception a great deal.

On the other hand I resent being labeled by race as if my race is the most important thing about me.  I’m black and my characters are black, but I write paranormal, suspense and romance and those stories have little to do with race. 

Since I went to the trouble of registering with the awful Facebook, here are the comments, fully attributed to their writers.  It’s interesting because most aren’t from a black American point of view. 

 

Displaying all 15 posts by 14 people.
Post #1
1 reply
Bola Agbaje (London) wroteon Jun 3, 2008 at 3:38 PM
I personally think that it is important to associate the word black as history has proved when the word is removed over time black history is erased…for example….most people think that rock and roll was invented by elvis presley …..i have more thought on this but i want to hear others views.
Post #2
Nathan Clough wroteon Jun 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
This is a question of labels.

People like labels because it stops you from thinking any deeper beyond whatever something is labelled! eg. if you label a play a "black play" it immediately gives a non-black audience member a safe distance from the play. Rather than looking into the "universal human" factors/issues of the play, the label kicks in. "it’s a black play. Those things happen to black people!"

Labels are also used as marketing tools, depending of course who you’re trying to reach out to. You’re not gonna get a David Hare play marketed as "a white middle-class play"!!

Ultimately, Everything we do will be labelled in some shape or form, just to help others understand and give them a point of reference.
What cannot be allowed to happen is for us as artists to allow our work to be shaped by what it may eventually be labelled as.
eg.
Write a play, not a ‘black’ play. Make music, not ‘black’ music, etc. Serve your artistic impulses, not what people want to label you and your work as. If the work takes you there, so be it. If you start there, it will just limit the infinite number of places you can go.

Live Long and Creatively! Leave the labeling to someone else…

Post #3
Janay Cochrane (London) replied to Bola’s poston Jun 4, 2008 at 7:04 AM
I think it is both negative and positive. Bola’s message states the positive, so ill play devils advocate and touch the negative And its up to the person who it is in refernce to, and how they see it. Its similar to gender roles and the idea of other. MALE nurses (as though nurses are only women) and likewise female police officers or doctors. Its as though the default is thats some roles are only for men, or respectivly, white people, therefore by accepting the label.. black playwright or black actor, is agreeing with us being the ‘other’, or the unnatural case of this profession.

If someone is labelled a black actor, does this mean that they may probhably going to only be cast for black roles, and not just being given audtitions of a male or female part…and as an actor they just happen to be black…?

Is it right if a black actor only plays in black roles? Is this limiting them/ closing them in a box?
 

Post #4
Natalie D. Marshall (London) wroteon Jun 4, 2008 at 8:24 AM
I personally feel that the ‘black’ prefix depends on the context of the production. The fact the the person who created the art is a person of colour will no doubt be jumped upon. I have a problem in the sense that once something is racialised or (in the case of a female) genderised (is there is such a word), it takes away from the production and puts them/the production in a box -and we all know what it is like to be typecasted.

If the production has a black context then yeah, it should be associated with the word, but if it doesn’t then no, …

Much love and a great topic…

Post #5
Augustine Dankwah wroteon Jun 5, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Its important to classify things. Remembering that what you do is classified and categorised in the black genre. If you are a blackplaywright and you write about black topics it importnat tobe classified as a black playwrite. The audience need to know and also young black aspiring playwrites and students.
Post #6
Kolintin Jones wroteon Jun 7, 2008 at 9:44 AM
I have read everybody’s comments and none of them really answer the question of the topic, merely just talk around it. Personally i think its a question of identity and ownership. We as "black" people or people of African origin need to realise that our identity and culture is being diluted and commodified. For instance everybody knows "Black" music or music of "black" origin is the biggest selling music of all time but even though its "black" music they label it urban music so as to make it more acceptable to others so now its not our music anymore its everybody’s music anybody can make it and the onus is not on anyone because its for everyone. Now in nearly every piece of music i hear theres a hint of rnb or swing or hip-hop theres always something that relates back to "black" music. Rock music is even an adaptation of "black" music stemming from rock n roll which stemmed from jive, jazz and the blues……but what would you classify rock as in todays society????? be honest! So as a black playwrite who addresses themes around "black" identity and "black" culture as well as African history and its practices its more than a definite that the word "black" or African should be associated with it. Theater is a white genre and ever since it emerged have dealt with themes of a white nature so if we adopt that genre into our profession and the main focus of the plays are of a "black" nature then yes claim ownership over it because its something new so it needs a label to carry on its journey and even more so to sustain its journey into the realm of "black" or African theater. So big up Bola Agbaje and big up the play "gone to far" it broke down barriers and is changing the audience and perceptions of conventional theater..which is what we need…..A CHANGE OUR CHANGE!Because as "black" people or people of African origin we don’t own nothing we buy into anything and everything we do and when we do own something especially something that becomes popular we allow the ownership to slip through our hands and become a free for all so its about TIME THINGS CHANGE! :-)
Post #7
Zawe Ashton wroteon Jun 11, 2008 at 6:15 AM
THIS IS SUCH A DIFFICULT ONE!!!!
I only really write about theatre here….

As people have stated, it’s a matter of attaching the word ‘black’ and losing audience who don’t think it applies to them
OR
don’t apply it and risk losing an audience who’s issues the piece deals with….

It would be a wonderful day when theatre can just be theatre and the regular audiences reflect the London we live in which is multicultural and ageless. THIS IS NOT PRESENTLY THE CASE.
So maybe until we reach that point we need to ‘attach’ black to the piece of art to get black people more intergrated in to the theatre.

The young black generation need to know that theatre is for them whether it’s Gone Too Far or Shakespeare. It’s all a means to further thought and creativity and discovery of self and the world.
WHICH THEY LIVE IN AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE.

I feel like the onus is on the theatres to find some way of broadening their audiences. They need to work with the writers in such a way that they really understand what work they are producing and let the masses know.
There is no reason why a 50 year old white man, the majority of the theatre going audience, can not learn something from Gone Too far and there is no reason why a 15 year old black girl can’t learn something from King Lear.

At the end of the day, stories are the oldest art form in the world. In certain cultures the storyteller is the most magical of all.
This applies to WHATEVER SUBJECT MATTER YOUR STORY IS ABOUT. There are more individual stories within this.eg the Black British experience is an individual one. But one EVERYONE needs to know about whoever they are.

However, I do think until we get to the point where theatres are as integrated as they should be (cost is also a huge factor here) then people should know if the play deals with issues that might be specific to them. It’s important that black audiences know when there is a play that represents them, their kids, their grandparents.etc. in some way.
YES this is a type of marginilisation, but hopefully it won’t need to last forever…………x

Post #8
Oyefunke Anifowoshe wroteon Jun 12, 2008 at 9:15 AM
Thanks for the discussion - I am Edris (from the U.S.) -
I think the label black is born out of white people’s need to be white and we are forced to deal with it. they label us to help cement their identity and like someone brilliantly said to give them distance and perspective in dealing with us.
If you look at the development of the ‘white’ race (which was done largely in the U.S. to limit immigration rights to Northern Europeans) then you can rather see how we came to be ‘black’ - as opposed to Yoruba, Nupe, etc. - then came the transatlantic slave trade……
If we understand that it helps whites define themselves I think we can even play it and play with it to our advantage a bit
Post #9
Duncan Macmillan (London) wroteon Jun 12, 2008 at 11:04 AM
I’m completely in agreement with Zawe. It’s frustrating that we’re still in a place where the race of an artist affects our experience of the art, and that audiences will gravitate to or away from work they don’t consider relevant to them. As Zawe says, we are living in transitional times (I’d suggest that a progressive society will always be in a state of transition), so for the time being it is appropriate that artists may wish to stand up and be counted, though this is absolutely their prerogative. This is something that has been a crucial component of every civil rights movement, whether race, gender, sexuality, disability or whatever, the first step is VISIBILITY. If the stories making it to our stages and screens are not representative of our culture, it means our culture is unhealthy and it’s perhaps necessary to conduct a cultural headcount to work out why this is so. An unhealthy culture leads to ghettoisation, apathy, ignorance, frustration and violence. It makes people think they are not included in the decisions being made or taken seriously. If certain communities are not being provided for by our government, it is up to the theatres, musicians, novelists and artists to make a loud noise and to not shut up until that changes.

Artists have a responsibility to represent the disenfranchised, to give voice to those who would otherwise go unheard. The theatre has been described as a place where culture debates itself, and the cultural health of a nation depends on its engagement with its citizens, with the full diversity of their experiences, frustrations and desires. For a long while the voice of our culture has been (and remains) almost exclusively ‘white’ (also add ‘middle-class’, ‘educated’, ‘heterosexual’, ‘able-bodied’, ‘male’…). Though there is legitimate cynicism about legislation regarding race, class, age, gender, religion, disability and sexuality, it is absolutely right for arts organisations to seek out and encourage cultural contribution from minority groups. Crucially, I feel it’s important to say that their stories are relevant not only to members of those groups but to everyone else as well. Chinese immigrants dying in vans, homelessness, cancer, the provision for children and the elderly and inner city knife crime are issues for every citizen of this country, not just those who are directly effected by them. We should care for, provide and look after one another. That is what a civilised, progressive culture does.

I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not sure what people mean when they describing something as a ‘black issue’. Certainly there are, unfortunately, countless issues which directly impact on black people and which don’t effect people who are not black (a good example would be stop and search tactics which threaten to become more regular and invasive under Boris Johnson). But these injustices are an issue for all of us, whether we are directly affected or not. When, for instance, women won the right to vote, that was not just a victory for women. It was a progressive step forward for our entire society. (This battle is far from won by the way, with equal pay still yet to be achieved. There’s also never been a new play by a female writer on the main stage of our National Theatre). I worry when people talk about ‘black issues’ because it allows white people to think it doesn’t concern them, as if the ‘black community’ is a separate entity within the UK. I worry about our lack of intervention in Rwanda and Darfur, about our failure to end world poverty, to combat world hunger or to stop the spread of HIV and AIDS. I wonder if politicians secretly have in their minds that these are ‘black issues’. They are not. They are humanitarian issues. The German playwright Heiner Muller once stated, controversially, that Hitler did one thing wrong - he conducted a genocide too far north - the implication being that had he executed six million Africans, he would have got away with it.

It disturbed me greatly that many critics of my last play couldn’t get over the fact my central character was black, as if our default starting position for characters is white (add to that male, heterosexual, middle-class, 25-40…), and anything else is a ‘choice’. It is clearly still a sad rarity to see a black character in a central role. Whilst race was a significant aspect of the play, the pressures on the central character were not purely ‘black’ issues. He struggled with issues of fatherhood, masculinity, mental health, responsibility, love and middle-class guilt. I wonder whether it surprised so many people because I wasn’t black, as if I couldn’t possibly relate to or have empathy for someone who was.

There will be many people who will feel that, as a white man, I have no right to write a black character. You could also say I shouldn’t be able to write women, old people, firemen, people who have different names, ages, opinions or experiences etc to my own. This particular line of argument ends up at a dead end where we are only able to write one-person shows about ourselves, performed by ourselves - but then why even bother, if our capacity for empathy doesn’t stretch to engaging with and being moved by the experiences of others…
One of the reasons I wrote the play was that I kept hearing politicians saying ‘black boys are failing’ - the implication being that they were failing because they were black and because they were boys. This is an example of widely accepted institutional racism. What the politicians won’t say is that, in a study from last year, 80% of black families in Britain live in deprived areas and in poverty. 80%! That is unacceptable. There is a huge social/class divide along racial lines. If they’re living in deprived areas, they’re most likely going to under-performing schools. No wonder they’re failing. But the statement ‘black boys are failing’ doesn’t take any of this into account. What they should say is ‘we are failing our black boys.’ And not just black boys. 80% of black families. A recent report says that the demographic that are performing least well in school is working-class white boys. Under the Tories and then New Labour the gap between rich and poor has been exacerbated. Because it is the middle-class, educated, theatre going people who are in a position to change things, through lobbying, voting, writing, discussing, debating and by modifying their behaviour, I felt it was worth trying to introduce some of these issues to them. I think it is absolutely my right as a writer, indeed, it is my responsibility, to try to bring these issues to attention and to raise peoples consciousness, regardless of the colour of my skin.

There’s a difference between accuracy and authenticity. Critics, producers and audiences are often guilty of ‘fetishising’ perceived authenticity. The important thing is that a play is accurate in its depiction of its characters and their stories, not whether or not its writer has personally lived through the same experiences they depict. Though there is a certain anecdotal interest in knowing that the writer of a play about, say, drug abuse was a former addict, that doesn’t necessarily make the play more ‘accurate’. We have frequently witnessed the vampiric fascination with youth (Bola and I have both benefited from it to some extent at the Court) or addiction (look at Pete Dougherty or Amy Winehouse). Often this can be exploitative - one of your correspondents referred to the dissipation or watering down of ‘black’ music, something that has happened to a large extent because of money and marketing, creating insipid, vague, commercial crap, or misogynist, regressive stereotypes.

Okay, so I’ve contradicted myself. I said that the important thing is that stories are making it to the stage, and that they are truthful, that our diverse culture is being represented accurately and that theatre is available and accessible to all, that writers should write what they feel passionate about with no limitation and that it is the work that matters, not how it was made and by whom. I agree with all of that, and yet I also think it’s shameful that a female writer hasn’t debuted a play on the main stage at the National. I think it’s shameful that the British public prefer their soul music to be performed by white people. Ah well. I stand by my contradictions. I suppose what I’m saying is that I would resent being described as a ‘white writer’, and I would never seek to write about ‘white issues’ for ‘white people’. I don’t know what any of that means. As a writer, my responsibility is to keep my eyes open and respond truthfully to what I see, and to ask questions I don’t see being asked. Thanks for asking this question Bola. Sorry for the epic length of my response, and thanks to anyone who made it this far!

Post #10
Franko Figueiredo wroteon Jun 12, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I agree with Nathan. Labels are a form of generalising things, and therefore does not allow you to get into the deep end of ourselves. And we are carried away and many times go with it - just because we can’t be bothered to have/develop our own opinions or be brave enough to reveal our true selves. Sometimes we hide ourselves behind such labels because it is comfortable, easy, rather than work hard, take risks and like nathan puts it: ‘look into the universal human factors/issues’…

Those things happens to everyone, it is all a question of semiotics and mind set that has been unconsciously permeated in our world - people look at you and the read how you dress, how you talk, how you look and straight away they think they know you. That is such a simplistic way of dealing with life. That is one of the reasons I loved ‘Gone too Far’ because it dealt with identity in such a way and spoke out of things that are happening to everyone in a very honest manner… - all these labels we try to tag on people, from within our own families to our neighbours, the people around us and beyond. Without even caring to/ or having the sensitivity to try and get to know ‘the other’. Like the characters Yemi and Armani lack of knowledge of their own history/identity, which leads to copying labels which are not their true selves!

Like Nathan says: ’serve your artistic impulses, not what people want to label you and your work as’

Just as a diamond can only be polished by another diamond, it is only through genuine, all-out engagement with others that people can polish their character, and help each other to reach greater heights. Above all we must engage in genuine dialogue that comes from our true selves

 

Post #11
Henry A. wroteon Jun 14, 2008 at 10:55 AM
It might be one of the difficult things to discuss but in my opinion Black people are perceived not too intellingent in finishing things. In other words we don’t follow things through to completion apart from in areas of sports and entertainment. It will be good to associate BLACK with our achievements though it sets in an element of segregation considering if every race had to do that; How would you feel if you were WHITE and loved BLACK MUSIC?There should be a decent way if not the proposed means to air the achievements of black people without ill effects - JUST A THOUGHT!!!
The MOBO’s might be ok for Achievements of Black Origin but can we say the same about other doctrines such medicine, law and management. Would you like to be labelled a Black Doctor?
Post #12
Zawe Ashton wroteon Jun 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM
On Henry’s point above -

I was asked as part of an interview once - "A doctor would want to be seen as a doctor before he is seen as black - Do you see yourself as being black before being an actor???"

It stumped me for a while, because I wasn’t sure if the two were seperable…YES I want to be seen as being capable at my job before the colour of my skin is considered…I would bever want to be invited for an interview on the strengths of my CV and references and turned away once my cultural identity was discovered!

BUT

at the same time I don’t want to be DE-ETHNITISED in my work. Meaning that I am colourblind cast all the time. In this sense I want my background/skin colour/ heritage to be part and parcel of what I bring to acting/writing because that is the frame of reference in which I am working. I would NEVER want to be asked to ‘imagine to be white’. Which incidently I HAVE been asked to do by a completely moronic director whilst I was training, who shall remain nameless.

So in that sense, I suppose I can’t even imagine putting one before the other BUT I don’t want to be known as a ‘BLACK ACTOR’ rather than just an actor NOR do I want to be asked to deny my life’s experiences when it comes to creating my art.

THE ANSWER IS - I HAVE NO ANSWER!!!!

We all want our work to be successful on it’s own merits - but are the boundaries of those merits blurred when it comes to race???
Does positive descrimination stunt ‘black’ artists creativity as much as negative descrimination?

I would never want to get work just for belonging to a minority group, but I would beat down the door of the person who refused me work on the premise of my skin alone.

………..I understand that I write this as a mixed-race woman who refers to herself as ‘black’, I know my full black actor friends would have something to say about this….we all know the industry gets more fucked up the darker your shade gets…

NEXT DISCUSSION - SHOULD PEOPLE OF MIXED RACE BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS BLACK?? IF NOT THEN WHAT? AND WHY?

Post #13
Afolabi Samuel Babalola (London) wroteon Jun 28, 2008 at 3:46 AM
under the circumstance i think the word black should be used because in this day and age that we are in , the word black is our heritage, and it should be in everything we do. this word black represent what we are: and if somebody told me not use the word black, it will be an insult 2 me, 2 my people and 2 my history.

me personally if i was 2 start a music company, it was called black production, but that does not mean i woudn’t sign on a white person or japanese person, it will be the name i’ given 2 the company, and if anybody has problem with then 2 bad for them, because i will not change my company’s name 2 suit their needs. why should i?

Post #14
Chelsea Black wroteon Jun 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM
No. If the subject matter is black then there needs to be an association but otherwise it is limiting to the individual and leads to pigeonholing. Also whos to say this individual is representing a whole ethnicity with their work? Genres already exist within the areas you mention and these are already limiting. e.g hiphop, country, rock

I guess it’s about personal choice at the end of the day but if a person works on something and they happen to be black doesn’t automatically make the produced article a "black" piece and I’m not sure we want to claim ALL pieces as being black no matter the quality etc

 

Post #15
Fatai Adeyinka Adeyemi (Germany) wroteon Jun 29, 2008 at 5:14 AM
A play, film, or music is written about the lifes of people of African heritage(also called black), then it must and should be labelled black or African. If however the contents are neutral, that is, not directly about a particular race or culture, then there is no need to tag it black even if the producer or writer is black. The thinking that tagging a work black would limit the audience is quite understandable because a very good Artiste would want his or her work to be appreciated by all, and not just a particular group in a soceity. But, I believe if a work of art(music, film or what have you) is really good, whatever you tag it, it would still get it’s limelight, and not tagging a black-play black, simply means the writer or producer is not proud of his or her work and what it represents.
One more thing though, whites don’t call their works ‘white’ simply because their works are directed at white audiences, and the industry is financed and dominated by whites.
A spanish, italian or Asian play being performed outside their country or continent, is definitely tagged Spanish, Italian or Asian, and they are proud of it.
I think we as Africans should be proud of what we do and who we are and not be afraid that our works would not be appreciated because of who we are. We should be able to stand up for what we repersent and not be ashamed to be black.
 
 
Can we Talk About Black Theatre--Guardian

 

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Asshole of the Moment Award

June 28th, 2008 by Monica

Check out this phone message.  [!]  It gave me a giggle.  Somebody should use it in a book.

 


 

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Chinese classified as blacks and other procrastination

June 25th, 2008 by Monica

The coolest article I read in my blog surfin’s this am was in South Africa they are reclassifying Chinese folk as black people.  Yes, in South Africa all Chinese folk are now officially Negroes. 

{snort, chortle, eek!]  I bet that goes over well.

Racalicious:  Chinese is the new black

I’m an expert at procrastination.  I fooled with my blog rather than getting right into my writing.  I do much better when I dive into writing without messing about in the Internet.

 I wasted over two hours.  Bad, bad me.  But I fixed the theme I prefer over on my author site.  It still looks better in Firefox (http://getfirefox.com) than IE.  I haven’t even tested it in the others (Sahara, Opera, Linux, etc.).  Let me know.

Now I’m going to get to work.  When I’m done I’m going to write a blog on procrastination over on my author site.   So much to do today!

 

 

 

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Whilst sipping my tea and surveying the day

May 29th, 2008 by Monica

I have to do a bit of prep before I get into page production this morning. 

I finally got around checking out Borders.com on my bloggish rounds.  Predictably they segregate their books based on race, African American is the first category and they have a separate category for AA romance.  Since I’ve been thinking it’s almost hopeless for a black author to break out of the literary ghetto and participate fully in a genre such as romance or fantasy without maintaining a don’t ask-don’t tell policy about our race, it’s good that the AA niche does have its comfort factors.  Hell wit’ that whole civil rights and integration mess in the sixties, right?  If you wanna get your all-black books convenientlike, be sure and shop the black-only section at Borders.  You’ll only have to stand beside other black people while book browsing your race-appropriate books.  Why not write Borders and thank them?

Borders
100 Phoenix Drive
Ann Arbor, MI 48108

Well, let me get to work.  Goal is at least a few pages, but I need to untangle some plot bigtime first. 

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