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Feminists vs Women of Color

April 28th, 2008 by Monica

The story starts happy.  Amanda Marcotte, a blogger at the well-read feminist blog Pandagon, gets a book contract.   The title is IT’S A HUNGER OUT THERE:  A FEMINIST’S SURVIVAL GUIDE TO POLITICALLY INHOSPITABLE ENVIRONMENTS.  

The brouhaha isn’t about the contents of the book as much as the cover and illustrations.  The original cover was a busty, blonde, white, me-Jane sort of superheroine in a retro cartoon style being held by a gorilla.  The author got the original cover illustration changed, but failed to raise hell over the publisher/editor chosen inside book illustrations:  Blonde chickie is surviving amongst the inhospital environment of darkie, savage-style natives.  In one illustration she even gets to save a white dude from the bad brown folk.

I Guess It’s A Jungle In Here Too, Huh?

While I can see this theme working well for one of Ann Coulter’s tomes, these are not good illustrations for a feminist flavored book.  The whole point of feminism is the struggle against male oppression.  So is the message that darkie oppression is fine and dandy?

A black feminist blogger, Black Amazon, was disappointed in the racism of these feminists.  She has since closed her blog.  Sigh.

I understand closing down when the heat gets intense.  I’ve done it myself on more than one occasion.  The emotional blow of realizing just HOW racist people are, how clueless and self-satisfied in the face of their evil–is as if you’re punched in the stomach.  I’ve dealt with romance racists are –some utterly clueless, mean, KKK-level bitches, and unlike the feminist racists–there is no support from any corner when dealing with them. 

The liberal feminist black bloggers never seem to have had to stand alone in the storm as I have.  They write about blogging from safe spaces and always, always at least one someone speaks up for them in the downpour of mean, racist ciritism, and usually more than one.  I only hope that these very young, outspoken bloggers realize the amount of support they do have and are able to take up the battle again.  Soon.  Too many of us wither away in the face of racist blasts.  This works in the racists’ favor.  They know they can cow us and shut us up.  They know only a very few of us will stand against them and their evil.  But then again, why should we have to suffer and take the punishment?  I suppose that’s their point.  It’s a true one.

I’m done. My blog will go live again when I’m compiling stuff for  my time to apply to gradschool but  I am done for now.

I want to say that this is permaent or that this is just a small break but no , this is the beginning of a death knell.

…I think the point where I went fuck it , is when a law student, a couple writers, and a professor basically endorsed a book  and  MISSED in reading something they were ATTACHING their names to .

Racist comics, about MY PEOPLE. Yeah MY PEOPLE, being KILLED and destroyed to save a white man and give a white woman the “courage” she so desperately desires .

And people fell over themselves to excuse them . Cause they’re learning

You know what  , fuck off.

Hey it’s no expectation you be responsible and careful with what you endorse, write and publish, because it’s a ” friend” right.

They get the benefit of the doubts, the benefit of not having to be called on their evil racist condescending crap.

…I can’t even fight it.

Black Amazon

 

Salon picked up the story  (as did Bitch and Jezebel, I do believe).

 

It all started with one comment — "Fuck Seal Press" — written at the end of a casual, stream-of-consciousness blog post by feminist blogger, Blackamazon. An anonymous reader later wrote in the post’s comments thread: "Seal Press has NOTHING on WOC [women of color]!!!" Then, Brooke Warner, a senior editor at the enduring feminist press, stepped into the comments thread: "Seal Press here. We WANT more WOC. Not a whole lotta proposals come our way, interestingly. Seems to me it would be more effective to inform us about what you’d like to see rather than hating."

It was the equivalent of a door opened on an oxygen-starved fire. Cue: Virtual backdraft. Blackamazon responded to Warner’s comment:

First and foremost how ever rude and disrespectful your entrance , welcome to MY blog. Secondly , considering you want more women of color I find it highly comical your response to a WOC is to tell her what it seems like to you is the best option for her experience. Because immediately my display of anger is met with a public call for what is essentially servitude …

Readers wrote in to second Blackamazon’s argument. Sylvia/M wrote: "Don’t try to reframe the situation as if I, a woman of color, should be giving explanations to you two about why you don’t publish more works by, for, and about women of color. That’s your problem." Sudy added: "In desiring something, does the burden of labor lay on the shoulders of the desired … or the ones desiring? I think the latter." So, Warner responded, again:

I appreciate the dialogue, ladies. First off, the blog feels very informal, and my language is in response to the language here:

1. You hate us.
2. We have nothing on WOC.

I get that you all engage best through negative discourse, but I find that too bad. It’s not servitude when we pay our authors advances. And book publishing is not an industry of outreach as much as it is editors being presented with an idea and engaging would-be authors in creative co-creation. I just find it curious more than anything that you all are wasting your time hating (yes, purposeful reuse of the word) rather than actively engaging in changing something you find problematic …

That, of course, only stoked the fire. A flurry of angry responses followed; the thread currently has 89 comments and, as far as I can tell, Seal Press is the only one coming to its defense.  –  Salon, Seal Press Scandal

 

Unlike the black romance community, black feminists will actually speak out and support each other in the face of racial controversy.  They ain’t hoping and dreaming about that House Negro position nor do they seem afraid to piss off nonblack folks. 

  1. Tiffany in Houston says:

    You know, I am more of a lurker than commenter on the white feminist blogs I read such as Feministe, Pandagon and on occasion Feministing. I have watched Amanda Marcotte as she flubbed and fucked up her way thru burka-gate, racist book cover-gate and now appropriation-gate. I’m not a blogger so I’m not hating. I’m not trying to get put on for a book deal. But all these charades remind me of something my grandma used to say: Be careful when you are dealing with white folks, because one day they wake up and realize they’re white and you ain’t. Truer words have never been spoken.

    This is why this 34 year old black woman doesn’t call herself a feminist.

    When it comes down to it, you white chicks, ya’ll really aren’t to be trusted.

    Once again, I’ve been proven correct.

Seal Press is a feminist press.  As I wrote before, feminism is about the struggle against the oppressor and that makes their insensitivity toward the issue of oppression and people of color somewhat…hypocritical. 

I have long realized that the liberal, supposedly hip, and feminist romance folks don’t give a frick about black oppression. 

Then there’s Gloria Steinem, Erica Jong, Jessica Valenti, Amanda Marcotte, and any number of white feminists from the second and third wave that really ruin feminism for the rest of us. If they’re not insisting we put aside our “of color”-ness in favor of our woman-ness, they’re busy using their white privilege to marginalize, dismiss, silence, or otherwise treat us the way those pesky white men they’re so angry with do.  — Angry Black Woman

This is the way it works within romance too.  The genre is dissed by darn near everybody literari, basically because it’s a women’s genre with plenty of pulp type fiction–but pulp SFF and mystery genre fiction don’t get the same treatment.  Romance by and for black folk is treated just as badly or worse within the romance genre as literary folk treat romance. 

Many white and other feminists of color, sensitive to the hypocrisy, spoke up against the illustrations in Marcotte’s book.  Seal Press took note and publicly apologized.

To Our Readers, Our Friends, Our Critics,

We are taking action immediately to remove the offensive images from It’s A Jungle Out There. We are currently reprinting, and we will make these changes now. We apologize for any pain or concern these images have caused.

We do not believe it is appropriate for a book about feminism, albeit a book of humor, to have any images or illustrations that are offensive to anyone.

Some have asked the valid question, "What were you thinking?"

Please know that neither the cover, nor the interior images, were meant to make any serious statement. We were hoping for a campy, retro package to complement the author’s humor. That is all. We were not thinking.

As an organization, we need to look seriously at the effects of white privilege. We will be looking for anti-racist trainings offered here in the Bay Area. We want to incorporate race analysis into our work.

 

A liberal, feminist press needs anti-racist training to get a clue?  Sheesh.  Shaking my head …  Now if RWA would hold a large, mandatory anti-racist training session, I could easily see the need.  

But within the nonblack feminist ranks, there is hope.  Can you imagine a romance insider speaking out against the aceepted, protected and lauded romance racists on the behalf of black romance authors as this white feminist does?  I can’t.  I can’t even imagine someone else who’s a black romance insider having the courage to face the racist romance community as bluntly.  We know they’d all be out in force throwing lynching ropes over the tree branches and supporting each other. 

 The following is an excerpt from a blog post by a feminist on this issue who stood up and spoke out.  Dear White Feminists Quit Fucking Up

I also copied and pasted her quoted citations.

 

 …How many dedicated women of color, who spend their lives fighting oppression, have to scream at us, or commit blogicide, or throw up their hands in disgust and abandon the label “feminist” before we actually take their comments at face value and LISTEN? In each of these posts WoC bloggers or allies express outrage at being hurt, slighted, ignored, disgusted, or silenced by the behavior of mainstream white feminists. Yet we white feminists keep claiming our innocence. We insist we’ve done nothing wrong, that Marcotte is being wrongly victimized, that Seal Press shouldn’t be blamed, that Full Frontal Feminism helps advance the cause for us all, that we should excuse Steinem and Ferraro for their racist remarks because they’re just old school, and so on and so forth all the way back to the first wave.

Women of color have spoken up again and again. But just look at some remarks that have been made by us in response on various feminist blogs:

“And if you’d rather fight fellow feminists, than fight Jerry Falwell, then you have your head stuck in the sand… I’d rather focus on the REAL oppressors than battle people whom I’d LIKE to consider ‘allies.’”

“It’s [referring to criticism by WoC] a little scary; a little Stalinistic.”

““Amanda, like other prominent white feminists, seems caught between a rock and a hard place: if she doesn’t write about issues like immigration, she’s ignoring an issue of vital concern to women of color. When she does produce an intelligent, provocative piece on the subject, she’s accused of having stolen the idea.”

“As a woman, I don’t find the cover [of FFF] objectionable, nor do I find it offensive that it’s a white torso… There are far worse things to fret over. And if the book is lacking substance or doesn’t eddify you, write your own.

“Contrary to some modern racist opinion, white perspective does not equal racist perspective.”

“So, does this mean that, since the discourse on immigration and feminism seems to be owned by Brownfemipower, nobody else can talk about it on her/ his blog? Or should the discourse on immigration and feminism perhaps be owned by immigrant women?”

“You all are correct that many white feminists ignore the concerns of women of color, but when you do your level best to eliminate any and all white allies, you lose your moral ground for whining about their absence. “

“what an incredible mean bunch of hyenas” [referring to WoC bloggers]

“Instead of whining to Seal Press and playing the damned race card, these WOC writers should either start their own publishing house, or do what the rest of us do and get their asses to work finding someone to publish them.”

Not so many months ago I commented on the Angry Black Woman’s blog in a thread on feminism, expressing shock and dismay at the anger directed at white feminists. In my naivete I assumed that feminism = a struggle against ALL oppression, a movement inclusive of women of color. I could not understand why anybody would reject it.

Good lord was I wrong.

Interesting?  I wonder how many feminist bloggers (many invested in being culturally and patriarchally correct as far as their reading material–they scream and run from the romance genre as a rule) know that commercial genre fiction in general, and the romance genre specifically, is strictly segregated towards blacks?  It makes Seal Press’s bleating about how they can’t find any black authors–or how black authors aren’t commercially profitable–almost understandable once you’re familiar with that li’l fact, no?

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12 Responses

  1. Sara no H. Says:

    I wonder how many feminist bloggers … know that commercial genre fiction in general, and the romance genre specifically, is strictly segregated towards blacks?

    It’s one of those things you’d think they’d be on top of, but based on this whole affair I’m beginning to think that they really just don’t, and that of course ties back into white privilege - they literally don’t have to see it. Even if ABW has written an incredible piece on extending the hand of friendship to authors of colour - they don’t hear it, they don’t see it as relevant - oh and by the way, we’re just jealous because we don’t have book deals of our own. Sigh.

  2. Monica Says:

    The segregation in publishing is incredibly relevant to black academics and bloggers. But we are marginalized as authors because we’re not literary, academic or a fashionable or hip genre such as SFF.

    They have to realize they aren’t on a completely different boat. They’re black too. Where we are, they go also. They will be as racially marginalized as commercial fiction/genre authors are by the publishing industry.

    The racial cluelessness of Seal Press (acquired by a bigger publishing company, right?) doesn’t surprise me at all.

  3. Fire Fly Says:

    Seal Press is a feminist press.

    Just for clarification, Seal Press does not define itself as feminist. See here for details: http://profbw.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/why-seal-press-is-off-the-syllabus-pt-2/

  4. Laura Vivanco Says:

    I’ve been following these events online for a couple of weeks, and from what I can work out (mostly from following links here and reading summaries like this one) inbetween the problems with her initial cover and the discovery of the illustrations inside the book, Marcotte also managed to create a huge controversy by putting up a post about WoC and immigration, but although she was speaking for them, she didn’t link to any WoC who’d already spoken for themselves/each other, including the one whose speech she said had inspired her post (Nina Perales). Brownfemipower had been blogging about these issues for a long time, she commented on the way Marcotte hadn’t given any credit to the work of WoC who’d worked on this issue, the dispute escalated, and Brownfemipower ended up taking down her blog.

    I’m sure you’ve been following that too, but you didn’t mention it in this post, and I think it makes it even clearer that there’s a pattern of racism by omission, as well as racism in what’s said, or in illustrations, with the end result that WoC feminists go unacknowledged and get silenced/shut down their blogs.

    This is the way it works within romance too. The genre is dissed by darn near everybody literari, basically because it’s a women’s genre with plenty of pulp type fiction–but pulp SFF and mystery genre fiction don’t get the same treatment. Romance by and for black folk is treated just as badly or worse within the romance genre as literary folk treat romance.

    I agree, and I’ve tried to make that point in my most recent post at Teach Me Tonight. I don’t know how much I or my colleagues can do to change things with regards to how AA books are marketed and shelved, but within the community of academics studying romance I have a platform to express my views. I know there are WoC who are academics working on the romance genre, and I think it’s really important that they and their work don’t get marginalised in a way that would parallel the way AA romances get segregated. If it’s to have intellectual and moral credibility, the academic study of the genre needs to include a wide range of voices and perspectives, including ones which are critical of aspects of the genre.

    (ADDED BY MONICA: Laura, I have frickin’ idea of how your comment landed in moderation with no notification sent to myself! Grrrrr Wordpress. Sorry for the delay in posting this).

  5. prof black woman Says:

    I just wanted to stop by and give you the time line b/c they overlap but did not begin with Amanda.

    the “amandagate” - Amanda published the alternet article, BFP pointed to her speech and posts that Amanda read but did not cite, Amanda was defended all over the blogosphere by mainstream feminists and Hugo, BFP closed her blog, everyone lamented, Amanda finally admitted that she had “borrowed ideas from several women of color” and named two but did not cite them in the article either, everyone ignored her admission and continued to talk about like she was innocent, her book It’s a Jungle Out There came out on Seal Press’ label, a prominent feminist blogger praised the book and invited people to come to a launch party in her area, the blow up about the images ensued

    seal press - at the AMC editors told a woc author to get “famous people” to intro the her woc anthology, when asked “like who” they gave a list of exclusively white women one of whom was Steinem, Black Amazon wrote a quick note to the author on her blog “fuck seal press” and then the editors came on the blog identifying as “seal press here” and said a series of comments there and on salon.com disparaging the way woc women communicate, calling them “haters,” and implying they weren’t doing enough to publish, as woc bloggers reacted around the blogosphere Seal Press Editors issued an apology where they admitted they were doing it “because I don’t want to be sued.” I called for a girlcott of their press based on their comments, their marketing practices that often present books and their website as a space exclusively for white female authors (I documented # of pages without woc on them including the front page, missing woc titles from the catalog and the website, 36 books with white people on them vs. 4 with poc, etc.) and called to academics not to bulk order their books for classes as well as a general girlcott, Seal Press came by and initially apologized but then continued to post comments denying the chain of events (despite direct quotes from them backing up everything I said) . . .

    Amandagate meets Seal Press drama - Amanda’s book came out, the colonial images circulated, everyone began criticizing them and joining the girlcott and/or abandoning feminism, as people began to retract their support for both press and book, Amanda and Seal Press issued apologies. Amanda took responsibility without offering excuses. Seal Press apologized for the “perception” of wrong doing and said they would remove images from second printing. mainstream bloggers continued to emphasize the apologies and praise the swiftness of reaction despite the fact that both author and publisher were aware of problems with the images as early as August 2007.

    I have a series of posts on this with the details and the evidence at my blog under: “why seal press is off the syllabus,” “don’t mess with feminist press,” and the final post linked by firefly above. All though Seal Press editors spent almost a week on my blog sending in comments after I had asked for some space they have not responded since the Amanda situation . . .

    —–

    I do think that at least some of know how segregated various genres are for black authors and black authored books. Anxious Black Woman wrote a post about a black book fair in NYC where she discussed this a while back, and I have multiple offline conversations about the segregations of genres and what seems to be the narrowing of available narratives for woc fiction writers in particular. I was actually going to write a post about it the same weekend I came home to find out about the Seal Press situation.

    I’m not sure any of us are getting support at the levels your post implies. It took from July 2007 until April 2008 to get most people to start talking about Seal Press and the current book. And as you note, many woc who have been discussing Seal Press titles while being raked over the coals by mainstream blogs have closed up shop. Some really nasty things in some very public places have been said about them by comment makers and some bloggers.

    I’m going to link to this blog so others can read your criticism about genre segregation and needing support, I hope that is ok.

  6. Monica Says:

    I truly appreciate the extra info from the comments, any corrections, and the link :-). This is a major topic and some of my readers might be completely unfamiliar with it.

    Race is an incredibly tough topic to discuss among whites. In romance nonblacks are included with whites. I notice that the women of color in romance who aren’t black support the majority point of view that black romance be excluded and segregated, if not by their words, then clearly by their actions.

    Only blacks are excluded and dissed from the genre. We have our own convention for black romance writers this weekend, graciously financially supported by the majority romance writer organization (RWA). Supporting a separate conference is easier then to make effort to include our subgenre (wholly defined by race) the same as the other accepted romance subgenres are included within the genre. We had to establish our own awards (the Emma) so black authors could receive recognition for excellence also.

    I took my comment about the level of support reading some of the threads on the white feminist blogs on the topic vs knowing how some the threads about blacks on the romance blogs went. It’s as if you’re the only black person on a Rush Limbaugh forum. There are no moderators for the abuse poured out on the sole person presenting the different point of view, and no fairness. Oh My Frickin’ Lord. You wouldn’t believe it. The black point of view basically isn’t allowed unless presented apologetically with extreme care not to offend. Condi Ricelike authors are well accepted in majority, of course, as long as we know our place, keep our mouth shut and don’t make waves. And that also means not expecting romance readers to treat one’s books the same as a nonblack author. Good Negro romance authors spend money to attend functions where few of their actual readers are present.

    Institutional racism is not the exception in the romance genre (and by extension in commercial fiction) it’s the rule. The excuses made for this state of affairs is astounding.

    Comparatively, the feminist debates on the topic of race and blacks are far more even-handed, with at least a few of their rank at least attempting to look at the issue from the nonracist viewpoint. Other blacks are speak up and out, supporting each other, instead of cowering in fear.

    If you want to see ignorance and racism in incredible living color, check out the romance chickies in action. There is no way Amanda Marcotte, if she were a part of the romance genre, would not have been UNIVERSALLY supported and indeed, lauded, with the few if any who spoke out on behalf of blacks virtually lynched by an enraged mob.

    Fellow blacks would watch the lynchin’ from afar, shaking their heads and trembling in fear, ’cause they don’t want to be next hauled up on the rope.

    It’s 2008. I’ve been speaking out on racism within the genre since 1998 to little avail. Most of my peers say dealing with the majority is fruitless and a waste of time, not to mention career destructive. We stay on our racially segregated turf.

    P.S. Added–I do have to recommend the academic-oriented romance blog, Teach Me Tonight. These are academics, and I’d think most consider themselves feminists, who support the genre. They do speak out against the segregation, not overtly loudly, but they have addressed the issue.

    http://teachmetonight.blogspot.com/2006/11/african-american-romances-short.html

    Laura V, thanks for the quote from Smart Bitch Sarah (http://teachmetonight.blogspot.com/2008/04/preferences-and-prejudice.html):

    Sexism and RomanceLandia have a long dance-card full of history - are romance novels sexist? the opposite? both? neither? a duck with sheep’s clothing? a pocketful of kryptonite? - but conversely, racism and/in RomanceLandia is debated with shouting or whispers. Debates about romance novels written by or perhaps about black women and where they are shelved in comparison to white romance novels usually end up with much hollering online or use of capslock, or devolve into a complete lack of solution and much offense.

    http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/got-an-hour-wanna-read-about-hillary-clinton-and-feminism/

    http://smartbitchestrashybooks.com is also an exdcellent romance oriented blog. I don’t visit much because the whole romance scene can be sorta stomach-churning to a black romance author. Also they have failed to moderate heated debates on race and romance in the past–but I can see that getting in between romance racist pit bulls and their prey could be somewhat dicey.

    (What kills me is the first thing the Romance Racists try to do is to ban the word racism in any way, form or fashion and vilify the one using the ever-so-appropriate word. They go on and on about how using the word racism is so extremely discomfitting to them–with no mention of how the reality of it is hell of a lot more discomfitting to us).

  7. Laura Vivanco Says:

    Thanks for recommending us, Monica!

    As you know because you contributed to the comments thread, but I’ll mention it in case anyone’s wanting a quick-ish overview of the background regarding the marketing of AA romances, we also had a discussion recently about Sarah’s curriculum choices, which led on to what I thought was a very interesting conversation about what constitutes the “mainstream,” how books become best-sellers, and why AA romances are still sold in separate, segregated “lines” (e.g. Harlequin tried to include some AA romances in the lines they’d be best suited to by subject-matter rather than by race, and the result was lower sales and racist complaints), and they’re often shelved separately too.

    They go on and on about how using the word racism is so extremely discomfitting to them–with no mention of how the reality of it is hell of a lot more discomfitting to us

    Something very similar was coming up in the discussions about Marcotte. Some people were saying that she needed to be given some “safe space” where she could respond without feeling under attack. It was pointed out that the WoC commenting on the issue rarely, if ever, felt that they had a “safe space” free from racism, and clearly some felt so unsafe that they had even stopped blogging.

    I have frickin’ idea of how your comment landed in moderation with no notification sent to myself! Grrrrr Wordpress. Sorry for the delay in posting this

    I didn’t realise it hadn’t posted, because I think it must still show up on the screen if you’re the person who sent the comment. I’ve got used to having problems with a few blogs’ anti-spam filters, because I so often include links.

  8. Monica Says:

    That discussion at your blog you linked was one of the very few related to black race on a romance blog where there was little to no rancor, put-downs, or hysteria going on!

    I think the scholarly, intelligent tone of the blog overall and the comments discourages the usual kneejerk racial responses in addition to your quick, even-handed, and extremely well-moderated comments to the usual– e.g. Jane, less-than-obliquely accusing me of calling her racist, Robin’s usual spiel against the word racism.  Sheesh, even Teddy Pig commented early in the thread, so was there and called me no names and offered me no personal insults?!  (I’m still tickled by the names I was called on Sybil’s blog when not present.  A whore?  I wanted to ask so badly what my personal sexual habits had to do with their racism, but stayed out of it ’cause they were doing such a good job of making themselves look a hot mess).

    On your blog, the routine romance devolution into racial hysteria was redirected intellectually, and for once, some true enlightenment was thrown on the issue.

  9. Laura Vivanco Says:

    Thanks for the compliments, Monica. I’m still blushing. I did think it was a productive discussion, and I certainly learned a lot in the course of it.

  10. sokari Says:

    it sure is a fucking jungle out there and unfortuantely its not just white women who are waiting to pounce on you - it’s homophobic Black men (in my experience) religious hypocrites and plain nasty people

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